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This page is intended as a space to discuss change and alterations to the design and layout of the RPi hub pages, as well as a point of contact for issues/tidy up jobs which are outstanding.
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<del>The RPi administration is headed by the [[Project:RPi Council|RPi Council]] now. </del> <br>
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:The RPi Council is now defunct and i hope that it gets replaced by open , collaborative and fair <br>
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:discussion between Wiki editors instead. Therefore i believe this page might be used as the central <br>
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:place for discussions around the Raspberry Pi Wiki articles again. <br>
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:Here are some things i'd like to address :
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:* 1. What happens to the RPi_Council page ? Shall we merge it with this one ?
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:* 2. I want to start a thread on the raspberrypi.org forums with updates on "cleaning up the Wiki" and a call for volunteers. <br>
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::This is of paramount importance IMHO. Perhaps we can interested helpers from the beta RaspberryPi Stackexchange , too. <br>
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::I believe that by communication via and presence on the forum we can make this Wiki much more useful for everyone. <br>
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::What do you think ?
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:* 3. Does anyone have a overview who translates Wiki articles and how this is managed ?
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::I'd like to talk to MagPi translators , other volunteers and eLinux.org admins if we can do anything improve <br>
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::the situation or work together better.<br>
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:Regards , [[User:Ghans|Ghans]] ([[User talk:Ghans|talk]]) 14:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  
Please feel free to add your own comments, ideas and thoughts.
 
=Our wiki guidelines=
 
[[RPi Wiki Best Practice]] Discuss it on  the Talk page [[Talk:RPi Wiki Best Practice]] !
 
==My ideas -- Ghans ==
 
  
'''Please use the category RaspberryPi!''' This stops duplicate work and helps people find information !
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The Big-8 approved usenet unmoderated newsgroup [news:comp.sys.raspberry-pi news:comp.sys.raspberry-pi] and began propagating 2013.04.01 among newsservers.
Tag your images/uploads also !
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Is this better organized under [[RPi Community|Supporting Communities]] or [[RPi Education|Schools, Universities, Clubs & Groups]]?
 
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I put it under [[RPi Community|Supporting Communities]] for now. [[User:DisneyWizard|DisneyWizard]] ([[User talk:DisneyWizard|talk]]) 21:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
''meltwater - Agreed, categories need to be added (not too familiar with them - so will learn), in particular general RaspberryPi tags (would improve searching a lot). TO DO - Will need everyone to help with it please.''
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: I think that makes the most sense. Did you announce this somewhere else ? [[User:Ghans|Ghans]] ([[User talk:Ghans|talk]]) 14:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 
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:: Hey there, if there's anything I can add to elinux.org to make things easier for the RPi community, please let me know. Send email to [[User:Wmat]]. --[[User:Wmat|Wmat]] ([[User talk:Wmat|talk]]) 20:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
ghans - It's easy to to do : Just add <nowiki> [[Category:RaspberryPi]] </nowiki> to the top of each article !
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::: Hi Wmat , thank you for dropping by. Are there any methods which could help with translation of <br>
Can be done on images , too. I'm currently searching and re-applying the category .
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:::individual pages into several languages ? Are they currently enabled or could be enabled in the future  ? <br>
 
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:::I have to admit that i don't have any overview who does translation work on the wiki and how , but if <b>
''meltwater - thanks, just noticed you had. Added notes on the new thread asking for editors.
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:::any of our diligent translators read this , please drop a note if and how you could be assisted by a technical solution. [[User:Ghans|Ghans]] ([[User talk:Ghans|talk]]) 13:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 
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'''Recruit wiki editors on the forums!'''
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''meltwater - Will add a thread. DONE''
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'''Is a guestbook in a wiki a good idea?'''
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''meltwater - It no more open to abuse than any other part, but it can be removed if wanted (at that point I was playing around with ideas - so happy either way).''
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ghans - OK. I just thought a real guestbook would be more appropriate.
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''meltwater - is there a proper one, or do you mean on the main org page.  To be fair the thread linked seems good enough so far, so it might not be required on the wiki too (can see if it gets used or not).''
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'''Offer the foundation and forum admins a reliable solution to migrate each part of their WP site''': Forum , comments, guestbook and this wiki (away from eLinux )!
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A single Wordpress site isn't made to support all this.
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ELinux is a wiki for many boards , but a seperate one for the Raspberry couldn't hurt !
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''meltwater - I agree about the site and forums, but that's up to the foundation. They are getting server space I believe so hopefully things will evolve.''
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ghans - What I meant was that at the moment the Foundation could do with donations of human and technocal resources.  
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Money wouldn't hurt , but they are constantly referring to  <nowiki> "the community" </nowiki> . For example , some generous people on the forums offered their root/webservers to seed and  host (ftp) some SDCard images .
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''meltwater - They were donated the server space to run the site etc. I don't know if they plan to change anything else yet.
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''I think  <nowiki> "the community" </nowiki> will not be in a single place, but spread everywhere, with hubs of activity focused in all kinds of areas.''
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''The problem I saw was 100s/1000s of groups all working away in their own spaces on the same stuff unaware of each other, hopefully they can be linked through this, rather than pulling content in, just tying it together.''
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''Any idea how the old web-ring thing used to work?''
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ghans - I just came to know about '''Frambozenbier/EduGeek .  Will they be able to help us?'''
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''meltwater -  I've added their links in the community part.  They have offered to build tutorials and guides through the wiki which is good, hopefully other communities will do the same or use the wiki to link theirs.''
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''Need to spot and keep an eye out of other hubs of RPi related work and link them, such as RPi Puppy, RPi KidsRuby etc.''
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''A lot of it will hopefully come as people get kit, ideally they'll search for what they want to do and put links to useful stuff on this wiki.  Some will prefer writing guides etc in forums, blogs etc others will use the wiki itself.  I think there will be a lot of content out there when the boards come and a big community following.''
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They obviously need support for their community !
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== DeadLinks/Old Pages ==
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'''[[RaspberryPiFirstSteps]]''' - almost duplicated by [[RPi Hardware Basic Setup]] - sorry didn't spot it (meltwater) (can be removed once all important info is transferred).
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* ''RaspberryPiFirstSteps merged into RPi Hardware Basic Setup and redirect put in place - [[User:Tufty]]''
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'''[[RaspberryPiBoard]]''' - original page now superseded by [[R-Pi Hub]].
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* ''RaspberryPiBoard merged into multiple other articles (all of these are linked to from R-Pi Hub). Redirect put in place - [[User:Tufty]]''
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'''[[RaspberryPiBoard/EducationalLinks]]''' - needed merging into [[Rpi Education]].
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* ''RaspberryPiBoard/EducationalLinks merged into Rpi Education and redirect put in place - [[User:Tufty]]''
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'''[[Rpi links]]''' - needed merging into [[R-Pi Hub]], [[Rpi HardwareHistory]] and [[Rpi Education]].
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* ''Rpi links merged into other articles and redirect put in place - [[User:Tufty]]''.
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== To Do ==
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'''Schools, Universities, Clubs & Groups [[Rpi Education]]'''
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* My original thought is to keep it separate to the community links, since one main focus of the RPi is the education side and ideally schools and clubs etc can share with each other through their own group pages.  But feel free to change it!
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**''I've merged the links into the education page, and note that there's a link to the education page from the community page. That should cover all the bases - [[User:Tufty]]''
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'''RPi Projects, Guides & Tutorials [[RaspberryPiBoardProjects]]'''
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* Requires content!
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'''Beginners Guide [[RPi Beginners]]'''
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* Needs a little tidy up and probably updating (by those who know!). Abbreviated guide now at [[RPi Hardware Basic Setup]] should also be reviewed over time.
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'''Language / Translations'''
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* Section has been created for this. Create version of page i.e. "FR:R-Pi Hub" and link at top with suitable flag.  Keep the page names the same so re-linking is easy.
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** ''Have added redirects for misspellings of R-Pi Hub in [[R-Pi Hub | EN]]/[[FR:R-Pi Hub | FR]]/[[DE:R-Pi Hub | DE]]/[[ES:R-Pi Hub | ES]], plus re-jigged the layout on each version - [[User:Tufty]]''
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==Design Ideas/Improvements==
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Hi, I've been a wikipedia editor for a few years now. Although this is using the same application, it is set up differently, so it is a  little unfamiliar in places. As a start, though I've added a general article about [[SCART]] wjhich may help some not familiar with that particular interface. Regards [[User:Lynbarn|Lynbarn]] 01:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
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* Good idea. They can be shorter articles than wikipedia, and more focused towards the knowledge requirements of Pi users. [[User:Tufty|Tufty]] 08:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Information/URL-Structure ==
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Right now, the RPi-specific content on this Wiki is merely a loosely connected set of pages, some of them prefixed with RPi, some not. Does anybody know how eLinux.org handles such vendor-specific groups besides the usual Category: tags? Are there special Namespaces for them (i.e. RPi:Hub, RPi:Buyers_Guide), is the use of Subdirectories recommended (i.e. RPi/Hub, RPi:Buyers_Guide, BeagleBoard does that to some extent)? --[[User:Phoque|Phoque]] 15:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
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*''I've changed all of the English pages to'' '''RPi_Name''' ''- note the capitals and the space. In order to produce some coherence I've put together this:
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{{Template:Raspberry Pi}}
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:...just add <nowiki>{{Template:Raspberry Pi}}</nowiki> at the bottom of a page, and let me know if any help is needed updating the template - [[User:Tufty|Tufty]] 20:36, 28 January 2012 (UTC)''
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== Foreign pages ==
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Hi. I've moved a couple of couple of foreign pages to amend their prefixes for consistency. The prefix works but it's worth noting that perhaps a subpage suffix is conventional elsewhere, e.g. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_select/ru http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_select/ru]. I've also posted a question about localisation to the developers at [http://lists.elinux.org/pipermail/elinux-wiki-dev/ Elinux-wiki-dev] <del>but it doesn't seem to have appeared in the archives yet</del> <ins>([http://lists.elinux.org/pipermail/elinux-wiki-dev/Week-of-Mon-20120206/000019.html here])</ins>. The post mentions [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector Extension:LanguageSelector] and [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Localization Commons:Localization]. Perhaps this is something to consider for the longer term.
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Anyway, this is all looking very professional! I'd like to spend a bit more time around here but am already engaged in a few things on Wikipedia, so don't expect to have the time to do much here for the forseeable future. Cheers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">-- [[User:Trevj#top|Trevj]]</span> ([[User talk:Trevj#top|talk]]) 17:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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== Layout... ==
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The wiki is growing nicely thank you all for adding your content.
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I still have a concern about the layout, particularly for beginners (see older version of the layout [http://elinux.org/index.php?title=R-Pi_Hub&oldid=89864]).  We may even find that beginners would be helped by guiding them to sections based on what they want to do, i.e. 1st time setup, setting up a media player, setting started with programming, or trying out some hardware control for example.
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Sorry but I think it may be a good idea to reinstate the getting started section so that beginners have an easier ride.
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===Getting Started===
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{| border="1" style="background:transparent;"
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| style="width:33%; vertical-align:top; border:1px solid #aaa;" |
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===Buying Guide===
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Purchase a Model A or Model B Raspberry Pi from... etc
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| style="width:33%; vertical-align:top; border:1px solid #aaa;" |
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===Basic Hardware Setup===
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All the info for simply putting it together for the first time etc.
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Beginners don't need to know all the detailed stuff in the hardware section...
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| style="width:33%; vertical-align:top; border:1px solid #aaa;" |
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===Beginners Guide===
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You've just got your new Raspberry Pi device - what now?
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Links to the recommended distributions for beginners etc...
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Some direct links to some basic projects, tutorials and books etc...
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===Resources section ===
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The Resources section can then contain (focusing on the vast range of advanced stuff - including datasheets):
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*Hardware & Peripherals
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*Software & OS Distributions
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*Documentation/Guides & Tutorials (having difficulty justifying this, since there is a lot of crossover between guides/tutorials/projects) - maybe this section could be for RPi software...but then that depends on the OS in some cases.
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Perhaps the last section could be documentation, although that could crossover to the beginner stuff, hardware and software...tricky.  I suppose, it would be a good place to collect up, finished guides, datasheets, good books etc which can also be linked from other sections too.
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I think for now, the resources section can be reduced to two blocks, until we determine what would fit best there.
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What does everyone else think?
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[[User:Meltwater|Meltwater]] 8th March 2012 (9:20AM GMT)
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Ok, I've put the basics in.
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[[User:Meltwater|Meltwater]] 9th March 2012 (10:02AM GMT)
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Revision as of 13:43, 13 April 2013

The RPi administration is headed by the RPi Council now.

The RPi Council is now defunct and i hope that it gets replaced by open , collaborative and fair
discussion between Wiki editors instead. Therefore i believe this page might be used as the central
place for discussions around the Raspberry Pi Wiki articles again.
Here are some things i'd like to address :
  • 1. What happens to the RPi_Council page ? Shall we merge it with this one ?
  • 2. I want to start a thread on the raspberrypi.org forums with updates on "cleaning up the Wiki" and a call for volunteers.
This is of paramount importance IMHO. Perhaps we can interested helpers from the beta RaspberryPi Stackexchange , too.
I believe that by communication via and presence on the forum we can make this Wiki much more useful for everyone.
What do you think ?
  • 3. Does anyone have a overview who translates Wiki articles and how this is managed ?
I'd like to talk to MagPi translators , other volunteers and eLinux.org admins if we can do anything improve
the situation or work together better.
Regards , Ghans (talk) 14:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


The Big-8 approved usenet unmoderated newsgroup news:comp.sys.raspberry-pi and began propagating 2013.04.01 among newsservers. Is this better organized under Supporting Communities or Schools, Universities, Clubs & Groups? I put it under Supporting Communities for now. DisneyWizard (talk) 21:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I think that makes the most sense. Did you announce this somewhere else ? Ghans (talk) 14:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey there, if there's anything I can add to elinux.org to make things easier for the RPi community, please let me know. Send email to User:Wmat. --Wmat (talk) 20:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Wmat , thank you for dropping by. Are there any methods which could help with translation of
individual pages into several languages ? Are they currently enabled or could be enabled in the future  ?
I have to admit that i don't have any overview who does translation work on the wiki and how , but if
any of our diligent translators read this , please drop a note if and how you could be assisted by a technical solution. Ghans (talk) 13:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)